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Clustering with NAS

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Pete Waters - 23 May 2005 21:19 GMT
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell PowerVault
745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended but costs are
vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done would be helpful.

thanks - pete.
Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\) - 23 May 2005 21:37 GMT
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make sure
that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility List for
Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when things go bad.

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> Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
> PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended but
> costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done would
> be helpful.
>
> thanks - pete.
Pete Waters - 23 May 2005 21:44 GMT
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS is not
supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people are actually
doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough then i'd imagine it
would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.

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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\) - 23 May 2005 21:59 GMT
Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?

If you don't mind loosing data in a supposedly "high availability" scenario,
then do it the cheap way.
Is your network and switches as reliable as 99.999%? If not, when they fail,
and you end up with data corruption.

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Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike@epprecht.net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

> Hi Mike,
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Pete Waters - 23 May 2005 22:24 GMT
The internal network and switches are certainly 99.999% reliable (or at
least have been over the last year!). I'm more interested in peoples
practical experiences rather than the obvious value of data argument. I see
that Microsoft are beginning to support iSCSI - any experience with that?

thanks - pete.

> Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?
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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\) - 23 May 2005 22:45 GMT
Well, I've been at 3 customers who used non-HCL equipment, 2 of them used  a
NAS. Well, they all had one option, revert to yesterday's good backup. One
was an investment bank that lost about US$ 50 million due to the failure.

Regards
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Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike@epprecht.net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

> The internal network and switches are certainly 99.999% reliable (or at
> least have been over the last year!). I'm more interested in peoples
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Pete Waters - 23 May 2005 23:00 GMT
Hi Mike,

Ah - that's not good! That's the kind of info i'm after - real world cases -
thanks. Have you had any experience with using iSCSI in these setups?

pete.

> Well, I've been at 3 customers who used non-HCL equipment, 2 of them used
> a NAS. Well, they all had one option, revert to yesterday's good backup.
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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\) - 23 May 2005 23:16 GMT
Hi

No. Not iSCSI. After the IT Directors got a good beating by the
shareholders, they all went SAN.

Regards
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Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike@epprecht.net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

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Kevin3NF - 23 May 2005 21:40 GMT
Not being supported by Microsoft is a good enough reason for me to not try
it...

There are cheaper failover options that are less hardware strict, such as a
product called double-take (www.nsisoftware.com no affiliation...)

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> Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
> PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended but
> costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done would
> be helpful.
>
> thanks - pete.
Pete Waters - 23 May 2005 21:50 GMT
Hi Kevin,

I'm looking for an Active/Active cluster solution - not a passive failover
one.

thanks - pete.

> Not being supported by Microsoft is a good enough reason for me to not try
> it...
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Gert E.R. Drapers - 24 May 2005 10:29 GMT
I really fail to understand somebody who is investing in clustering
technology and then introduces a disk system which is not available at all?
Why bother implementing clustering to begin with? Why not simply have
separate machines on a SATA RAID in that case, cheap, fast, some level of
redundancy

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