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SQL Server Forum / Other Technologies / Full-Text Search / December 2006

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Larry Brown - 18 Dec 2006 15:16 GMT
Hi,

In Office documents for example, you have document properties like
Doc_Author, or other properties that may have been created by the user who
wrote the doc.

In SQL Server 2005, it is possible to search into these properties
(equivalent of Index Server ALL property). But is there any way to get the
list of properties with their values ? Meaning to know that the value has
been found in one property rather than in another ?

Is there any difference if I use Sharepoint, Services or Portal ?

My problem is that I'm using not only Office iFilter with document
properties, but two other iFilters that I created for indexing PDF and
another format specific to my company, with Index Server. Both these
iFilters manage document properties, including possibility to create custom
properties...

Looks like I will have to do some programming...

Many thanks in advance
Hilary Cotter - 18 Dec 2006 15:51 GMT
I believe it is possible in Sharepoint Portal services but not WSS. It is
not possible in SQL FTS. You can use filtdump to show the properties emitted
and their values.

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ddaiker@gmail.com - 18 Dec 2006 19:38 GMT
Can somebody point me to where I can learn how to query the properties
of files stored in an image field.  I'm having troubles finding that
documentation.  I'm using SQL 2005.

> Hi,
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> Many thanks in advance
Simon Sabin - 18 Dec 2006 19:58 GMT
Hello,

Its not possible.

Simon Sabin
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> Can somebody point me to where I can learn how to query the properties
> of files stored in an image field.  I'm having troubles finding that
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>> Many thanks in advance
ddaiker - 18 Dec 2006 20:19 GMT
So Larry was mistaken?

"In SQL Server 2005, it is possible to search into these properties
(equivalent of Index Server ALL property)."
Hilary Cotter - 19 Dec 2006 01:21 GMT
It is possible to search on properties which are embedded in the document
and accessible through the iFilter-for example the summary properties in
office documents. For some documents, i.e. some pdf properties they are
actually stored in the file system and when you push them into the database
they remain in the file system and don't travel with the document itself.

The best way to see this is to put a value for the keyword metatag of an
html,. store it in an image datatype column and then search on the keyword
value. You will get a hit.

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> So Larry was mistaken?
>
> "In SQL Server 2005, it is possible to search into these properties
> (equivalent of Index Server ALL property)."
Hilary Cotter - 19 Dec 2006 01:18 GMT
You can query them if they are emitted by the iFilter. The best way to
determine if they are emitted is to run them through filtdump accessible
from the platform sdk.

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> Can somebody point me to where I can learn how to query the properties
> of files stored in an image field.  I'm having troubles finding that
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>> Many thanks in advance
Simon Sabin - 19 Dec 2006 20:48 GMT
Hello Hilary,

But you can't do  search for a specific value in a specific property, like
you can with index server

Simon Sabin
SQL Server MVP
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> You can query them if they are emitted by the iFilter. The best way to
> determine if they are emitted is to run them through filtdump
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>>> Many thanks in advance
Hilary Cotter - 19 Dec 2006 21:03 GMT
Hi Simon

Yes, the only one which is respected is the language property.

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> Hello Hilary,
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>>>> Many thanks in advance
Simon Sabin - 19 Dec 2006 21:23 GMT
Hello Hilary,

Which is a real shame

Simon Sabin
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> Hi Simon
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>>>>> Looks like I will have to do some programming...
>>>>> Many thanks in advance
Hilary Cotter - 20 Dec 2006 00:16 GMT
Hello - yes it is, but they need to do this for scalability. The more data
you store in your index the less scalable it becomes. The sweet spot exists
somewhere between 1 to 10 million rows and after that you need to start
throwing machines at it. On one multi-terabyte site I worked on they had 100
search index machines to achieve the response they needed.

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> Hello Hilary,
>
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>>>>>> Looks like I will have to do some programming...
>>>>>> Many thanks in advance
 
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